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Hannah: Welcome to Happily Ever After the podcast where we talk about life's big stories from great sex to sexual trauma, Break-ups and breakdowns. Icky secrets and happy endings. It's the stuff that makes us human. And boy, do we cover it all. I'm your host, Hannah Harvey. I'm a writer and a parenting blogger at MumsDays.com. That's M.U.M.S.D.A.Y.S dot com. I would be very grateful if you could subscribe and leave a review because it means more people can find the podcast. And I also really, really, really love hearing from you, so please contact me through Instagram @Mumsdays with all your stories of life and any thoughts you might have on the episode or even questions you want answering. You can find all the details from this episode in the show notes.
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Hannah: Hello and welcome to Happily Ever After with me, Hannah. Today I have got a treat for you because I bring you personal trainer, fitness influencer and owner of the Fitness Retreats, Wellness Journeys. Josie Baxter. Hi, Josie.
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Josie: Hi, guys.
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Hannah: Hi. Josie is back for round two because she's been on the podcast before last year where we talked about your getting over your very public heartbreak.
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Josie: Was that last year? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. It feels like two minutes ago the last time I did this. Seriously?
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Josie: No, it was like right at the beginning. This is like episode 41.
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Josie: Goodness gracious me.
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Hannah: Yeah. So, yes, you talked about your break-up, but also how you got over it. And the feedback that I got from the last one was like off the charts because you're basically the Dalai Lama in the body of a really sexy 24 year old.
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Josie: That is the best. I'm going to put that on my Tinder bio.
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Hannah: You're welcome.
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Josie: I am.
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Hannah: So I literally can't wait to hear what you've got to say today, because firstly, we've just finished another incredibly successful wellness journeys here in Calpe, which I've been on. But it also means that you're now, you know, celebrating and maybe a little bit a little bit merry.
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Josie: I have had a few gin and tonics by the pool today. I have got one here with me. I don't know if you can hear the ice there, but
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Hannah: Clink, clink.
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Josie: I'm having a good time.
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Josie: Yeah, you are. It's all about balance isn't it.
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Josie: Exactly. It is all about balance.
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Hannah: Well, first off, I'm really proud of you. So congratulations on this. And as a paying punter, I can honestly say hand on heart that I've loved it.
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Josie: Oh, thanks babes.
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Hannah: Been really good. So, I mean, I wanted to start asking you about it because it's like having seen it and it working and how much like love and time and effort that you've put into it. Like, what made you want to start?
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Josie: Well, I've been asked this quite a few times and I feel like I've been asked it especially more this time when I've done it. It's like, where did the business begin? And I guess it was it was last summer and it was the first summer for me as an adult that I'd been single and I'd had to go out and go on holiday in the summer as a single adult female. And I was like, Well, what do you do? I don't have a boyfriend to just go, This is the package holiday that we're going on. This is what I've booked. I'm going to drive you here and we're going to do this day trip. And do you know what I mean? There was no one organising things for me, so I had to, for the first time, do everything myself. And that was where wellness journeys began, because my gran had always had this apartment in Spain. And for the first time when I came out here, I was on my own and I thought, Well, I need to find somewhere to go and do a bit of exercise or something to entertain myself. So I started to go on walks. I started to go to the gym. When I was here, I made friends with the guys who own the CrossFit gym. I walked up Calpe Rock again. I did the coastal walk and I was like, This place is absolutely phenomenal and I want other people to feel as empowered as I have felt through coming here on my own. Even as much as walking out of arrivals at the airport and walking down to where the transfers are and getting a transfer by myself for the first time as an adult, I was like, Oh my God, I can actually do anything.
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Josie: No, but really, like now when I look back, I'm like, You're now driving a 9 seater minibus around like the hills of Calpe like that again on a transfer bus was nothing. But at the time that was massive for me, especially when I was going through such an emotional like trauma at the time. To be able to do that was big. So it's just gone from strength to strength since then. And I wanted to share that feeling with people, the feeling of. Of empowerment that doing independent things such as that brings you.
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Hannah: Yeah. My thoughts on the retreat beyond like. Like the exercise and stuff like that is. It's that whole thing of, you know, you're on your own or you just want a break from other stuff. So say you're in a family, you've got kids, you've got a husband, whatever. And this is a way because it's not always easy to organise a girls holiday. No, you know, always it takes loads of effort, whereas this is like you're coming away. You can celebrate like the I mean, it's not just for females, is it? But
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Hannah: This one was all female. It was like celebrating that female bond and friendship and doing something active.
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Josie: So you don't feel like shit at the end of it?
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Josie: Yeah. Like there was a balance. Obviously, we've all eaten our fair share of bread and, you know, crisps and.
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Josie: and alioli
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Hannah: Alioli. But.
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Josie: But equally, we've moved. We've been active. We've been in the outdoors and even I think just it is, it's a natural thing to move in a tribe. Like if we're really take it back in time. So like being in this group with these women and getting to know people's personalities, like sometimes it can be like years since you in your life have met someone brand new that you don't know that you've had to get to know. Like if you've been in the same job ten years, had the same family, obviously your whole life in the same circle of friends since you were at high school. Like when are you ever getting the opportunity to meet someone new and develop a friendship with a complete stranger?
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Hannah: Yeah, I absolutely love that. Like there's been a few people
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Josie: It's magic, like yeah
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Hannah: Who I've really clicked with and I would never have, even though our paths have crossed and we knew so many of the same people, I don't think we would have met unless we just happened to come here.
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Josie: That's what's magic about it, I think.
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Hannah: And I think as if you're somebody who does a lot of organising yourself to come on something like this and just have. You don't have to make any decisions like that in itself is a rest and you can just focus on like, you know, going on the walks and doing the workouts and doing
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Josie: Putting one foot in front of the other.
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Hannah: Yeah, just tell me when I need to eat next. Tell me when I need to walk somewhere next and just yeah, I'll just sit in the back seat and have a good time.
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Hannah: Put my feet up and laugh.
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Hannah: Yeah. So that that would be like beyond, you know, the wellness side of it is the, the community that I really loved. And I've never done anything like this before. So it's been really interesting.
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Josie: It reminded me a little bit, though, of the yoga teacher training.
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Josie: The like tribe vibe. Yeah, tribe vibe.
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Hannah: And there's like, there's always going to be someone that you're like hmmm, but it's we're all just working together and, you know, when the next meal is, we're all just. Yeah. It's getting to know each other and making it work. Yeah. Being grown ups.
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Hannah: So my observation of you, Josie, is you're like, I feel like you've been on the earth before, and you're like, I already know how to do life.
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Josie: You know what? Like, I know what you mean.
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Hannah: Like you're. I can. I'm nearly 20 years older than you, and I feel like we're the same age. And I come to you for advice.
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Josie: Mhm. Something. I don't know what it is or what it was or I don't know, but something in me is just really switched on to like. I just know how to how to. I just always seem to know what I need to do next in life. What?
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Hannah: Why do you think that is?
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Josie: I feel like it's an instinct I just have and it's almost a trust. It's a trust of myself. Like whenever I've made decisions for myself in life and gone. Josie, this is this is where you need to go. This is what you need to do. It's worked every time. Whenever I've done things for other people, it's ended up getting into a messy situation. So it might just be like actually an series of unfortunate events at a very young age that I've realised very quickly that if you don't do things for yourself, you don't end up happy. Like you have to be a little bit selfish in life to get what you want and to to do. Doing what you want to do is going to lead to your happiness.
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Hannah: So do you think it's being really clear on your goals?
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Hannah: Knowing what it is that you want to do, or is there an element for you? Like, do you know, like, have you got a five year plan or are you like more instinctual than that, a bit like I know what I want to do today and I hope it will lead. I don't know where it's going to lead me.
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Josie: I have no idea where I'll be in five years.
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Josie: But I know that this time next year and even this time in six months, I'll be closer to where I want to be because every day I work on getting that 1% better, whatever that 1% is that day that I can do. Like there will be no day that I haven't done something that will better me or better my business. Not a single day, I would say, I can't remember the last single day that I wasted that I didn't do something.
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Josie: The either betters my fitness or as my business or better. I can't I couldn't tell you. Today is probably one of the most lazy days I've had. And I've spent it on my phone with my tits out lying on the flamingo in the pool, planning the next wellness Journeys retreat. And I've managed.
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Hannah: Down to like the.
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Josie: Down to the T, I've managed to get the whole budget done, the whole itinerary done. And I've managed to message the graphic designer from the UK and get the images already done and sent back to me so I can start advertising and my arse hasn't left the pink flamingo in the pool.
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Hannah: It genuinely hasn't. It's been interesting. People have literally brought you drinks.
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Josie: Yeah, I've had my lunch cooked for me. I've had gins brought to me. I've done nothing. I mean, but, but, but also I've done everything.
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Hannah: I think there's something in there about, like, just your life and your work is all one.
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Josie: Yeah. My work gives my life more purpose.
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Hannah: And you enjoy it.
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Josie: And, yeah, I am so, so lucky that what I do is what I would want to do with my spare time regardless.
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Hannah: Yeah. So I was going to say, like, my next question is what motivates you to keep working as hard as you do?
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Josie: Because it allows me to live the life I want.
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Hannah: And what is the life that you want?
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Josie: The fitness, like the freedom of a schedule... Like, yes, I have a schedule, but it's a schedule that I choose.
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Josie: And like, don't get it wrong. I don't think that there's many 24 year olds, my 24 year olds my age, all 24 year olds are my age. This is the gin speaking. I don't think there's many girls at my age of 24 that would happily jump out of bed like a spring chicken at 5 a.m., four mornings a week to get to work and train the clients. But I do it even in the cold, dark, deep months of December.
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Hannah: You don't do it happily. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Josie: You've seen it? Yeah. I can be a brat when I have you in because I know that you're going to stick around. But it's 6 a.m. when everyone else hates thier life I am the ray of sunshine that they need.
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Hannah: Yes, you are.
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Josie: And I'm in there in my heated jacket with my onsie on doing star jumps like there's no tomorrow. But yeah, like I. I give a lot but equally I get so much back like the, the freedom of like my schedule and the enjoyment and the happiness that what I do brings me is amazing.
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Hannah: That is amazing. So what else is on your kind of ambition to do list? Do you think the things that you can tell me about because I know you've got lots of irons in the fire that are like top secret.
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Josie: There is a few things that I can't really talk about.
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Hannah: Oh, tell me Josie. Can we have the scoop.
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Josie: Spill the beans. Well, if only you could follow my private Instagram page and then you'd know it all. No, I'm joking. I just. I just want for life to, like, keep going the way that it has. And for, like, I feel like in my job, like, the reason why I have such high job satisfaction is because of all of the like, I feel so satisfied in my job because of all the happiness and because of all of the progress, if that's the right word that I bring to my clients lives. Like watching someone's confidence grow and watching someone's fitness progress and knowing that like, yes, ultimately they're the ones that have, you know, showed up and done the work, but they've done it because you've been there waiting for them and you've been there telling them what to do and and how to like conduct themselves like. That is, I don't know, another thing in the world that can bring you a high like that. It's impeccable.
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Josie: So I just want to keep being able to do that on a bigger and better scale.
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Josie: And like what I'm working towards is, is being able to do that, too, with more and more people, whether that is on the gym floor, whether that is one week abroad, a year where I go look at how you could live your life and look at how things could be like do like and how much better you will then feel for that. Whether it's that, whether it's on the gym floor, whether it's via a podcast, whether it's
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Hannah: Even like your Instagram is highly, um, empowering. I think it's like, here's me working my arse off. These are the kinds of things that I'm doing. But also here's me out having fun and living my life. And this is what makes it all worthwhile.
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Hannah: And everywhere you go, you're like. Making new friends and meeting new people.
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Josie: I can't help myself. I made friends with the german men in the gym this morning. I wasn't even doing anything. I just had a t shirt on that said ready for anything on the back of it he went, Are you ready for anything? And I said, Not after the gins I had last night. I'm not. And then the next thing I know, we're best friends.
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Hannah: He's following you on Instagram.
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Josie: Yeah, obviously I finished the workout before him and then I was cheering him on for the last 90 seconds.
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Hannah: You've got to encourage people. Okay. So I asked on my stories. What people were interested in hearing from you in addition to your fitness stuff. And, you know, after the last podcast, I think people are obviously invested in you as a person
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Josie: Oh god it's dangerous.
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Hannah: And I guess people want to know how you're getting on in your love life.
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Josie: Oh God. I can tell you, it's not as easy as I thought. Um, where should I start? I guess. Let's start from the beginning.
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Josie: Okay. So the first teacher training, Forrest yoga teacher training that me and Hannah were on together. Our lovely friend Sean on the training and was like, You, you need to be on Tinder. You need to get out there. You need to live your best life. Meh, meh, meh. So he set me up on Tinder with all these pictures of me, which I guess are like suggestive images, like, you know what I mean. They weren't, and the weren't PG. I mean, not RX , but I'm talking like maybe a 15. We'll call them.
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Hannah: 12 to 15.
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Josie: 12 to 15. Your tits are out, but that's it.
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Hannah: Not nipples.
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Josie: Not nipples. I just mean like a bit of cleavage. God not nipples. We're not. We're not on Onlyfans level yet, guys. I've not stoop that low. I'm not struggling that much yet. And. And he puts me on Tinder, and this boy starts speaking to me, and I thought, Oh, you know, he looks all right. He seems friendly. And I sent a picture to my friends and they all just replied saying, his teeth are from Turkey. You can't go out with him. You know, someone who's had, like very obvious veneers from Turkey. And I thought, you know, I'm not vain. I'm going to go out with the boy.
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Josie: Give him a chance.
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Hannah: Give him a chance. Less bright in person.
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Josie: Exactly. It could have been a bad filter. Who knows? And so I go on this date with this boy, and this is the first date I've been on since my relationship ended. First time I've really put myself out there, and the fact that it was a blind date was obviously like I'd never met him before and didn't have.
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Hannah: Is tinder a blind date?
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Josie: Is tinder a blind date. Well, no, is it not?
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Hannah: Blind date is when, like, your sister sets you up with the guy she works with and you've literally never seen him. And you have to turn up.
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Josie: Oh, shut up. Well, how do you even know what he looks like?
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Hannah: You just have to trust them. That's how our friend on this retreat met her chef husband.
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Josie: Oh, no. Sorry. I thought what I was doing was reckless. Well, that's fucking. That's psychopathic.
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Hannah: People do this.
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Josie: Oh, no.
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Hannah: You're very young.
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Josie: Any hoo, any hoo.
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Hannah: So you met this guy.
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Josie: Met turkey teeth at this bar near where I live. So I thought, well, I can I can just run home as quick as I can if things go south. And do you know what? We're actually having quite a good time. It might be because I was really like light at the time and I hadn't drank in ages and it was the first time I'd had a drink in a while, so I was probably quite drunk quite fast.
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Josie: And but also he seemed nice. And then all of a sudden, this girl barges over to the table, right? And I'm thinking, Oh, my God, Josie. Oh, my God. And she, like, shoves a mobile phone in between the two of us. So like, the back of the phone's facing me, the front of the phone's facing him. And like, he then starts having this argument with someone who's on FaceTime on the phone. Oh, my God, I wish I was making this up. I really do. And it turns out his ex girlfriend's friend was in the bar like watching us on this date. So she FaceTimed her. And comes barging over with this phone so that she can shout at him for going on a date with me when they'd only broke up like a few months ago.
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Hannah: Oh. You're allowed when you're young, aren't you? Is he young?
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Josie: He was older than me, by quite. Quite like, at least, like five years. And I think, like, she had a kid and, like, he'd been a lot more invested. Like they lived together and had a kid. Like, he was very invested in her child's life. So obviously instantly just got the ick and ran away.
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Hannah: Oh, my God.
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Josie: And that was really traumatising for me. And he messaged me being like, Oh, I thought this would happen. And I was like, Well, yeah, you thought. You thought. Right. Adios.
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Hannah: And so did that put you off?
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Josie: Well, obviously, I've never been back on Tinder since.
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Josie: It's bloody traumatic.
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Hannah: It is traumatic. It is a minefield. Tinder. So you see, like, you know, you're 20 years younger than me. Back in my day, you would just go in a bar and meet some people that you fancied.
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Josie: Is that still how it works as a younger person?
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Josie: No, No. No one ever approaches me on a night out ever, other than when I go out in town and I get my ex-boyfriend's name shouted at me.
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Hannah: Oh, that's nice.
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Josie: Yeah, that's literally the best I get in Newcastle City Centre.
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Josie: Hence why I come to Alicante.
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Hannah: People just shout.
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Josie: People here don't know about
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Josie: Chica, Guapa chica.
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Josie: Is that it?
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Josie: I think that means good. Good luck. And good. At least, I hope.
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Hannah: So I was about to say, what are your dating tips.
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Josie: Well, do you know what? Do you know what I have learnt? So I have had since that a few more experiences. And I met this lovely boy at a gym that I train at. Obviously I've learnt my lesson since my previous relationship that you shouldn't shit where you eat. So no longer will I date boys at the same gym in which I work. Definitely not anyone that is managerial or like owns the gym.
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Josie: Because that's how you eventually lose your job.
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Hannah: It is. You can't rely on..
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Josie: So we avoid that at all costs now. Yeah. And so that's just a big fat no now. So naturally I've had to purchase a gym membership somewhere else to meet boys. So I have a so yeah. And I was dating for like it maybe lasted a few months. Oh and he was lovely and. He was really sweet, really nice. Like just a normal boy with a normal job, with a normal family. And it was like a breath of fresh air to know that there are nice, good human beings out there. And it almost reminded me like you don't. It almost taught me like, you don't need to rush to meet someone. There are still nice people out there. Like just because you got slammed with a really bad set of cards, if that is the right phrase. I don't know.
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Hannah: We're gonna work with that.
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Josie: We're going to work with that. You've been dealt that's the term dealt. Just because you've been dealt with a really bad hand of cards doesn't mean that is what you'll have for the rest of your life.
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Hannah: There's always another hand.
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Josie: So he was lovely, but he just there were some things that just weren't for me. And I don't even want to go into it because I respect him and I still have love for him in a capacity.
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Hannah: But it restored your faith.
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Hannah: But it restored my faith that like, one day, like when I am ready for that, I'll be able to find that.
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Josie: But right now I'm just so, like, almost invested in myself that I don't want to invest anything in anyone else.
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Hannah: Yeah. And you don't know where you're going to be
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Josie: Next week?
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Hannah: Yeah. From week to week. And it's not the time to be like.
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Josie: Committing to anything.
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Hannah: Exactly. Exactly that.
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Josie: Yeah. Like, let's hope that IVF treatment sticks around because I'm not having kids until I'm at least 50. I've got too much to do.
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Hannah: I think you will have many kids in the form of just.
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Josie: I do think eventually I will end up like Kris Jenner.
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Hannah: Oh, really?
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Josie: Yeah. Momager.
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Hannah: Yeah. You're going to, like inherit them along the way because you're that kind of.
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Josie: Oh, God. Well, I've already got Lottie haven't I?
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Josie: It's just going to keep going. and Ivy. So it's just going to keep going from there.
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Hannah: Yeah. I don't think you need to worry about kids.
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Hannah: You're just a baby.
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Josie: I'm just a baby. If Sean's listening, he'll understand.
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Hannah: I think other people watch TikTok as well as just Sean.
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Josie: I hope so.
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Hannah: I could be wrong. Okay, we're going to wrap it up because I want you to enjoy the rest of your time here.
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Josie: I feel like I've only been talking for 30 seconds. Has it been a long time?
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Hannah: It's been 26 minutes. But I wanted to end on what? So you've been planning the retreat today. What's the crack?
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Josie: It is going to be September. It's going to be the 4th of September until the 8th of September. And and the itinerary is bigger and better. It just seems to be getting bigger and better each time that we do it. There's like new things that I find or learn that I want to include, and then it just ends up growing and growing and the catering is even bigger and better this time. And yeah, and if you are interested in potentially coming on the retreat, it is in September of 2023, the fourth to the eighth and just drop me a message on the Instagram account of wellness journeys.
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Hannah: Underscore. We'll link to it in the show notes and you can message me as well. I'm happy to hook people up @Mumsdays with me Josie and so it will be lots of lovely yoga.
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Josie: It's yoga, workouts, hiking and paddleboarding. The food is all super, super healthy food. We have one meal out where you can go wild and eat carbohydrates til the cows come home.
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Hannah: There is loads of carbs on this retreat. Don't be thinking there's none the whole way through because there is. But yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much Josie.
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Josie: Well, thank you for having me yet again.
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Hannah: It's an absolute pleasure and I just can't wait to see what you do next. It's always every week..
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Josie: It's always a bit overwhelming. Let's be honest.
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Hannah: It's overwhelming. And I have to go home and sit down and, like, breathe for a bit. But then I'm like, Wow.
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Hannah: You're doing great.
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Josie: Well, thanks, thanks, babes.
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Hannah: Thank you so much for listening and I'll see you next time for another episode of Happily Ever After with me, Hannah Harvey. It would be wonderful if you could leave a review and subscribe. And of course, if you've got a friend who might enjoy this episode, then please do pass it on for anything else. You can get in touch with me through either Instagram @mumsdays or through my website Mumsdays.com.